Keeping the Psoas on the QL

Keeping the Psoas on the QL

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My lifetime experience and knowledge of physical fitness

Photo by Alora Griffiths on Unsplash

Growing up-

I’ve been exercising ever since I was a young child, and I’m not talking regular old school gym class.

My mom — who was probably in her 40s at the time as I am now — went to aerobics classes and exercised along to videos as home such as the Jane Fonda series, using the TV in our carpeted basement. Sometimes she took me to her exercise classes at the community centre, and I’d sit in the corner and play. Sometimes I moved alongside her, modelling my behaviour, I now realize.

I also went to gymnastics classes and attended summer “gymnastics camp”, which I loved, although I never mastered the cartwheel. It seems that every little girl does, but I’m not sure that my body was meant to move that way, or maybe it was my innate fear of falling that I have had my entire life, despite no significant fall prompting this fear. I took jazz dance classes.

As I got older, I did those workout videos on my own as well as some of the classes that used to be on TV. I remember two videotape series that I rotated through at different times during my high school years in the mid-1990s: The Buns of Steel 2000 Platinum Series and the Sports Illustrated Super Shape-up Program.


Getting Buns, Abs AND Thighs of Steel!

The Buns series included videos called “Abs of Steel”, “Thighs of Steel” and, yes, “Buns of Steel”. They starred Tamilee Webb, Donna Richardson and Tracy York. Donna taught me that weak abdominals could exacerbate back pain, and she taught me the word “exacerbate”. I liked that they used big words.

What I liked a lot less was when, with each viewing, I heard Tamilee tell me that I can “lose inches!” Even at the time, I was well aware that exercise isn’t only for weight loss, but also overall fitness.

It annoyed me that workout leaders were perpetuating the idea that all women want to lose weight. I did not relate to that statement at all! I still rant about the idea that exercise is only for weight loss/fat loss. It’s called “fitness” because it’s supposed to get you “fit”. “Fitness” includes mental wellness too.

Super Shape-up Program With Swimsuit Models

The Sports Illustrated Super Shape-up Program had three videos co-lead by one supermodel each:

1. Stretch and Strengthen starred Elle Macpherson. Let’s all be grateful for the person who uploaded the entire video to YouTube and be glad that copyright infringement didn’t result in the video’s removal. You’re welcome.

2. Rachel Hunter co-hosted a session called Body Sculpting, which, in the commercial (again, you’re welcome), she claimed would “really help you shape your body.”

The male voiceover in the commercial then promised that Rachel’s video tightens up those frustrating areas that won’t go away, even when you lose weight.

3. “Now you’re ready for MY video, Aerobic Interval Training.” announces Cheryl Tiegs, “It’s the advanced way to make your body burn calories more efficiently.”

Promises the male voiceover, “It helps you slim down, even those stubborn places where the weight goes on first.”

I couldn’t find the latter two in the series online for viewing.

“Tightening up those frustrating areas” and helping your body burn calories more efficiently. Sounds great, even if most of the women using the videos likely didn’t know what a “calorie” is. A calorie is a unit of energy. High-calorie, nutrient-dense foods are more healthy than “empty” calories in foods that lack nutritional value. It’s not the number beside “cal” that matters as much as the nutrients and what they do for us.

Fully sponsored by Diet Pepsi and NutraSweet, a sign of the times. (*gag*)

Teen Steam

Also, in my early teens, I had Alyssa Milano’s Teen Steam workout video. It’s on YouTube for Alyssa to watch again and again.

As a member of the Jewish Community Centre, I took exercise classes and used the weight room. In University, I took step aerobics classes. I lifted weights at the campus athletic centre, cringing when I saw men lift weights with incorrect form. It pained me to see a male friend swing weights during bicep curls instead of using slow, controlled motion.

Swinging uses momentum, not muscle, which can lead to injury. Swinging a weight is also an indication that the dumbbell is too heavy for the lifter.

I considered getting certified as a personal trainer, but it was one of many times in my life that I decided that I didn’t want to teach groups of people. That, and my focus was on school, fun and the many extracurricular activities I was involved with on campus.

Being a fitness enthusiast

I read fitness magazines. I belonged to gyms. I ran on treadmills. I used elliptical trainers and recumbent bikes. I took group fitness classes of all types, including Bodybar barbell classes. I used weight machines, free weights, dumbbells, barbells. I wasn’t afraid to lift heavy. I scoffed at women who were afraid to push themselves hard and wanted to correct anyone who spouted the myth that lifting heavy weights would make a woman “bulk up”. (Most women won’t, and those bodybuilders and fitness models work HARD.) For a while, I worked out several times a week. Work-gym-home. I had leg days and arm days, strength training and cardio. I did compound exercises. It was perfectly scheduled and calibrated.

I have this memory from the mid-00s stuck:

A woman passively lying on an exercise mat in the middle of the gym talking on her cell phone while her male trainer stretched her hamstrings.

I mean, really?? Put your phone down and do the work. Having a partner assist your stretches can be beneficial — especially a pro who can guide your body to its safe limit, but at least be fully present in the moment. Do the work for yourself, and no one else. I believe that cell phones have no place in gyms, yoga studios or other workout spaces.

I did lose the workout habit for about a decade, but I’ve always been a walker and every few years, and as recently as one year ago, I try to be a runner. I’ve never enjoyed running enough to do it through rain, snow or extreme heat, though I have read running books and magazines, I completed the “Couch to 5k” program via phone app twice, and I’ve run a couple of 5k events.

Friends who run marathons have seemed surprised that I’d be running without training for a race. I thought it strange that people would only hit the pavement if training for a race. I mean, if you’re not having fun and/or getting fit, what’s the point? I feel that a marathon should be a fun form of recreation. I think that people who do triathlons, Iron Man competitions and Tough Mudder races are amazing, impressive and a bit insane.

Do whatever form of exercise makes you feel good. Don’t do what you hate when you’ve got options, whether it’s step aerobics, pilates or a Tough Mudder.

So, as a lifetime student…

A lifetime of exercising, an understanding of anatomy, and to my recollection, I only recently heard of the “psoas muscles” and the “quadratus lumborum”, aka the “QL”.

Tammy advised me to position myself in front of the TV so that I could see her and reduce strain on my body and Donna had told me about the importance of weak abdominals. Elle taught me “happy baby” pose long before I’d done my first yoga class. Jane Fonda taught me — stuff. Proper warmups and cooldown? Scissoring my legs during abdominal work? I don’t remember.

As a yoga instructor who specializes in alignment and anatomy, Sadie — my most recent teacher — taught me about the psoas and the QL.

psoas

The first recollection I have of the word “psoas” is in the last three months when I did one of Adriene’s videos called, Yoga For Psoas. In that video, she didn’t describe the psoas but worked it with lunges, gate pose, side angle pose, pigeon and more. When I searched YouTube for her name and “psoas,” several videos came up, which indicates that she perhaps mentioned these muscles at least once in each video.

I might have read about the psoas before and forgot, but the fact that it sounded new to me indicates that it’s not mentioned often. I tend to learn through repetition of concepts.


The Psoas & the QL

Sadie Nardini recently taught me about the psoas and the QL. I’m still a fitness nerd (enthusiast) even if I don’t always practice it, so I was intrigued.

More specifically, it stunned me that this set of muscles hadn’t been on my radar before, and their existence seemed to explain some of my body’s quirks.

Earlier this week, I wrote this on Instagram as part of a more extensive caption:

I did an awesome yoga session today, revisiting a psoas flow that I first did last month as part of @sadienardiniofficial’s 21-day Core Strength Transformer series. A lifetime of exercising, an understanding of anatomy, & only recently had I heard of the “psoas”, from a different yoga instructor (or, if I heard the word before, it didn’t stick in my mind). I still didn’t know what it was until Sadie explained it.

(I’d completely forgotten about the QL until I started writing this piece.)

Here’s what Sadie taught me about the psoas:

You have two psoas muscles, one on each side of your body. Each psoas goes from the upper inner thigh, up over your pelvis, and back behind your organs, then spins up the back of your lower spine.

The psoas is the only muscle that bridges the legs to the spine. It’s used to lift you up from your centre and for more effortless balance and strength.

“The side of the spine, that’s where we’re getting the psoas action.” When you do side bends, you activate the psoas.

I’ve learned that the psoas is part of the hip flexor. It affects posture, helps stabilize the spine, and, if it’s out of balance, can be a significant contributor to low back and pelvic pain.

It is part of the core. This is important.

Why did I not know this before??

The QL

The following information was learned from a Google search:

The QL is the deepest abdominal muscle. It’s located in your lower back on either side of the lumbar spine. It starts at your lowest rib and ends at the top of your pelvis. It’s common to have pain here because you use this muscle for sitting, standing, and walking.

The QL is one of the prime sources of lower back pain.

I honestly don’t remember what Sadie told me about these muscles other than, “The quadratus lumborum, or ‘QL’ as the cool kids call them.” She did discuss them at the beginning of a video in her Core Strength Transformer series.

I think that I tend to absorb the information I need when I need it and leave the rest, so if I encounter that video with the QL explained again, it will likely register with me.

All of this information is new to me, and it’s significant.

I knew about the abdominals, and that weak abdominals can exacerbate back issues. I’d worked my oblique muscles by doing all sorts of twists and bicycles. I’ve done Pilates. I was educated about the back muscles — the traps and scapulae up top, the rhomboids, the latissimus dorsi, aka the “lats”. If you’ve used a “lat pulldown” machine at the gym or a pullup bar, you know the lats.

On an episode of Blossom that was to change the trajectory of Joey’s life, dad Nick is experiencing back pain. Joey diagnoses Nick’s ache as stemming from the “latissimus dorsi.” Nick makes a joke, “Latissimus Dorsi; I played a gig with him once.” and then, upon expressing amazement that Joey knows anatomy, Joey dismisses this knowledge as, “stuff that jocks know.” If I recall correctly, that sent him towards a career in kinesiology, sports medicine or something like that. This is all from memory. If I could find that clip, I’d refer to it.

My knowledge, my body

Knowing what I know now is significant and explains what all the bodywork practitioners I’ve seen over my lifetime never told me. This knowledge empowers me.

One Chinese chiropractor that adjusted me when I was in high school mostly did massage, then adjusted me. He told me that one leg was longer than the other, which I took literally and found interesting. Really, the observation indicated an imbalance in my hips. This chiropractor insisted that patients don’t need regular adjustments unless they feel they need.

When I hurt my IT band while running in my early-20s or so, my dad took me to a Chinese practitioner at his gym who helped heal it using a TENS machine. Meanwhile, my job at the time required that I walk a lot of stairs, an activity that left me in agony.

A couple of years later, I had regular visits with a physical therapist at a sports clinic to deal with a knee issue. Around that time, I learned that my bones were weak, likely the result of the Depo Provera hormonal birth control that I was on at the time. I went through a year or two when I got birth control shots, and during that time, medical research revealed that one of the potential side effects of the shots was osteoporosis. I didn’t have osteoporosis but something milder and similar that I don’t recall the name of. The knee issue might have been related to the Depo shots.

I also had appointments with a couple of other specialists in the sports medicine clinic where my physical therapist was to try to fix various body issues. I remember the pain of Active Release Techniques, which uses motion to locate and to break up scar tissue and adhesions that can form due to direct injury or repetitive movement over time. The male chiropractor was hot, though, so I kept focus on that.

I've seen several massage therapists.

Chiropractic care

For about a decade, until late 2017, I had regular visits with a chiropractor. I first met her and the other chiropractor she worked with at a wellness expo that I’d been supervising a booth at. Having been on my feet all day and feeling achy, I craved some sort of bodywork. She had a table at this event to recruit clients. I started seeing her first a few times a week, then eventually once every three weeks. She did x-rays and other tests every couple of years to check the progress of my posture. Every three weeks, in the days before our regularly scheduled appointment, I felt my tailbone shift as if it was aware of the timing.

My chiropractor worked on postural issues. I went even when I felt I didn’t need it because to me it was like a car tuneup but for my body.

She used to observe with amusement that I rarely had the same adjustment needs more than once in a row, especially when I was going through different fitness phases. For example, when I was doing regular krav maga classes, my body felt different to her than when I was running regularly. Of course, various activities have different effects on the body.

In fall 2017, after considering it for years, I had a consultation with an osteopath. I was still achy when I bent over, after years of doing yoga on and off I still couldn’t touch my toes when I bent over, and I’d had TMJ for several years. The only way my chiropractor was willing to address my TMJ — based on the scope of her practice and profession — was to adjust my neck. I needed something more direct.

Osteopathic care

The osteopath did directly help my TMJ. He put a gloved finger in my mouth to manipulate my jaw from the inside. He showed me how to adjust it myself and directed me to instructional YouTube videos. His colleague, who I had a few subsequent appointments with, gave me further advice.

I was also told that I had a weak core, which confused me. My stomach always looked strong. I had always included my abs and obliques in my exercise routines.

The first osteopath yelled at me (military-style) when I did the exercises incorrectly and made me do them again. They became part of my life when I remembered to do them.

A weak core: The missing piece of the puzzle?

A weak core. Neither osteopath mentioned the psoas or the QL by name, but I think that Sadie handed me the missing piece of the puzzle.

The 21-day Core Strength Transformer series helped me a lot. For the first time in years, I was able to transition from a downward dog into a lunge without using my hand to pick up my right foot to plant it forward.

[I paid for the series during my free month of Sadie’s premium membership because of the program discount for members, but Sadie’s got a ton of free videos on YouTube.]

It might be the consistency of over one hundred days of yoga in a row (I broke that streak last week due to injury), or it might have been the instructor. I’ve consistently and successively followed along to three yoga teachers online in the last few years — plus other instructors’ videos sporadically — and they’ve all offered valuable lessons. Even when I’m primarily following one, I occasionally follow others. Sometimes I learn new information, sometimes I get one more piece of advice about a pose, other times it’s a metaphor that resonates with me.

Still sweating to the oldies

No, I never exercised along to Richard Simmons. It’s a metaphor here.

Being instructed via online channels is like Jane Fonda, Tamilee, Tracy, Donna, Elle, Rachel and Cheryl all over again.

Instead of videos or DVDs, it’s YouTube and VHX.

Roku = life changer

Having TVs with Roku (streaming player) is a life-changer. Previously, if I’d wanted to follow along to a workout video on YouTube, I had to do it with my laptop or desktop. For a while, I only had a desktop, so this was a barrier. The world went from workouts on TV channels, VHS/Betamax video/DVD displayed on TV, to laptop/computer displays. Now the accessibility is on big-screen TVs or on your stationary bike or via other technology that I haven’t seen.

Making exercise accessible makes it happen.

Proper form, etc.

With proper alignment, joint safety and specific instruction about how to work my core — which contains more muscles than I’d previously been aware of — my body’s ailments are gradually improving. At the age of 43, I’m closer to touching my toes. My posture feels better.

One day soon, I will do Elle’s 47-minute workout.

I miss doing yoga at a studio because of the adjustments to my body that an instructor can provide, but classes aren’t in my budget right now. I’m aware that teacher’s don’t always adjust their students correctly.

I’ll return to osteopathy when my budget allows it, but for now, the fact that I’m a life student in fitness makes a world of difference.

Always keep a beginner’s mindset. Never stop learning. Work hard, unless you’re working out on a “rest” day, and even then, always be mindful. Live up to your potential and do it safely.

That’s all I got.

From Instagram: Appreciating My Body

From Instagram: Appreciating My Body

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Because I posted a couple of photos to Instagram with a caption that was a little under 200-words, I thought I'd repurpose it as a blog post that's three times longer and given the Grammarly treatment (ignoring its “sentence fragment” feedback because people speak in segment fragments.)

If it weren't so long, this is what the title of this post would have been:

From Instagram: My Tummy Looks Good & I Both Appreciate It and Don't Care

Here's the truth: I believe that we place too much value in how we look and not enough on how we feel and how healthy we are. Looks aren't everything, and I've always appeared way fitter than I've been.

For example, I had an overweight friend who was way more flexible than me and who cycled long distance. One such trip was 111km/69 miles. If I recall correctly, she did it over two days, but still. I knew someone else who took a cross-country cycling trip on her own, camping along the way. She didn't “look” specifically athletic, but that doesn't mean she wasn't. My reason for mentioning that she did it on her own isn't because she's a woman, but because she had to have the strength and endurance to not only cycle, but complete any necessary repairs and maintenance, plus carrying her gear. Most men couldn't either.

I've heard of obese people running marathons. I do NOT have this sort of endurance. I'm someone who runs for several weeks during the seasons when it's neither too hot, too cold or too wet and then bails when extreme temperatures happen because “I'm not a runner anyway.”

When people comment on my weight or how “skinny” or “thin” I am, I wonder why they said what they did.

“You're so skinny!”

Um, thank you? Is it a compliment? Is it an expression of “I wish I were that skinny”?

It sometimes makes me uncomfortable because our bodies aren't who we are and because if they're saying it out of insecurity, I don't want them to feel insecure, to begin with.

I think that acknowledging someone's “skinny body” isn't any more or less appropriate than regarding a fat one, but in a society where we value “thin”, people don't understand that.

Furthermore, some people are skinny because of illness. I've witnessed those awkward conversations.

“You've lost so much weight!” or “You've lost weight! You didn't even need to!”

Etc.

And the potential response: “Thanks, having the flu is a great diet.” (Being inflicted with colitis or Crohn's is an even more fun answer.)

I once went a week during which every time I ate I felt nauseated. Nothing else felt off, just that. It went away on its own.

That all said [I used the word “loquacious” here in my Instagram post], I couldn't help but notice the visible difference in my stomach before and after my yoga flow session with Sadie Nardini & wanted to share.

Evidently, my muscles were engaged. I will bloat again, and it's all good.

Also worth noting: I could feel my quads an hour or so after my workout. My muscles were reminding me that I worked out.

I don't focus on my stomach much, but I see it, and I'm not against showing it off on occasion. Seeing myself in the mirror after made me feel good. That's not good or bad, it just is.

Our bodies aren't who we are.

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Honestly, I believe that we place too much value in how we look and not enough on how we feel and how healthy we are. Looks aren't everything and I've always appeared way fitter than I've been. (Examples: I had an overweight friend who was way more flexible than me and who cycled when she could take the train, and I've heard of obese people running marathons, endurance that I lack.) ✌ When people comment on my weight or how "skinny" or "thin" I am, I know that it's often an expression of their feelings about their own bodies. It sometimes makes me uncomfortable because our bodies aren't who we are. 💪 That all said (more loquacious than I intended), I couldn't help but notice the visible difference in my stomach before and after my yoga flow session with @sadienardiniofficial & wanted to share. Clearly, my muscles were engaged. I will bloat again and it's all good. 👍 I don't focus on my stomach much but I see it and I'm not against showing it off on occasion. Seeing this made me feel good. Edit: I turned this into a blog post. See link in profile.

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Organika Bone Broth Powders

Organika Bone Broth Powders

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If you read my last post about collagen powders, this one might interest you too.

A while back, I bought two Organika bone broth powders on a Buy 1 get 1 50% off sale. I like trying products I've never tried before and if I can't “try before I buy”, I prefer to experience products for the first time by buying them on sale. Or maybe I'd tried a sample of the bone broth powders and forgot. I bought two beef: An unflavoured beef and a ginger beef flavour.

What you're about to read is my opinion only. As they say, your mileage may vary.

Organika Beef Bone Broth Protein Powder

(It still seems strange to me in English we call the chickens we eat chicken, but cows are “beef,” and pigs are “pork.”)

Organika sources its Beef Bone Broth Protein Powder  from Swedish cows that have been pasture raised and grass-fed. (I'm imagining the Swedish chef dressed as a cow. Bork Bork Bork!)

The product naturally contains GAGs (Hyaluronic acid, Chondroitin, Glucosamine), great for joints, skin, hair and more. Organika's Beef Bone broth has tested out at 86% Collagen through their laboratory tests, and it contains all three types of collagen, but primarily types 1 & 2. This isn't exclusive to their bone broth powder. Every type of animal is unique in its nutritional makeup. Every animal has its own collagen and amino acid profile. Organika's chicken bone broth protein powder mostly has type 2, because of the makeup of chickens.

I opened the Organika Ginger Beef Bone Broth first and started blending it up every morning, replacing my morning lemon water. It became my new routine. First bone broth protein powder to hydrate, then coffee with collagen. One doesn't need more than 20 grams of collagen per day, and each serving of protein powder (of the few I've used) is 10 grams, so consuming the protein powder and the collagen powder is within range. Some doctors say up to 30 grams per day for those who need it.

While animal bones and skin – and thus broth – contain collagen, bone broth isn't the same as collagen. The most significant difference, according to Organika, is that bone broth naturally contains those GAGs.

My thoughts on the COW-derived protein powder

Honestly, while I like the company thus far, I was disappointed with Organika's Beef Bone Broth. When mixed with water, the beef broth powder gets clumpy. No one likes clumpy.

I posted about it to an Instagram story. No complaints, just a visual. (I don't complain about companies on social media because it's a shitty thing to do and I'm not a shitty person. This post isn't a complaint either, it's respectful opinion, which might be the same thing.)

organika beef bone broth

organika beef bone broth

I appreciate the response, and so quickly. I'm sure that Organika's Instagram account gets a lot of mentions.

Later, while researching and writing my post about collagen, I read more about the clumpiness of beef broth powder on Organika's website,

Here's what it says:

Note: Organika Beef Bone Broth is a 100% natural product and is high in natural collagen protein. It is also free from additives such as emulsifiers and fillers, which is why the product may not mix instantly in water. Adding hot water into the powder while mixing reduces the clumping effect and results in faster dissolution.

Furthermore, in their FAQ they say,

Q: How come your beef bone broth mixes more clumpy than your Chicken Bone Broth?

A: Solubility of the broth can be affected by the ingredients present in the product. Our beef bone broth contains 100% bone, and cartilage. We do not add carriers like guar gum or preservatives to make the powder mix better. It is a pure beef bone broth.

Bellow that first quoted part:

For Best Results:
1) Try adding the powder to the cup first, then adding hot water.
2) When clumps appear, use spoon [sic] to press it against the wall of the cup. This helps spread the broth powder out, and breaks the clumps, so more water comes into contact with it.
3) Mix until dissolves then enjoy the filler and emulsifier-free Bone Broth!

I tried all three suggestions before I read them and there's a part of me that wishes there was a filler or emulsifier. I'm all about being as natural as possible, but not to the detriment of the product. My opinion – and this is only one person's opinion so don't take it as ultimate fact – is that they could improve it. I'm not sure that a clumpy product should go to market, and that the company should have to share “for best results”.

Coincidentally, they released an IGTV (Instagram video) about it today too. The host of the video – Organika's Social Media Specialist Rhiannon, who is also a Registered Holistic Nutritionist – spends what feels like a lot of time stirring and, “I've been stirring for a little bit, and as you can see, there are still a few little tiny clumps on the top as again, a little bit more love.”

Nuh uh.

I really want to accept Organika's explanations, tips and tricks, and maybe my ego and need to be right is getting in the way, but nuh uh. I don't want them spending resources on trying to convince me that the product just “needs TLC,” I want them to make a product that takes less work if it's possible to do so. Otherwise, maybe take the beef version off the shelves and only sell the chicken. My marketer brain thinks, “If they need to control the narrative by addressing people's complaints through copywriting and video, and if they need to work at addressing those negative sentiments, maybe they need to work on the actual product.”

Again, that's my opinion.

organika beef broth powder - stick blender

The stick blender is ideal for this.

A regular blender or a stick blender is the only way, IMO.

So, I went back to the store and I exchanged the second beef broth powder – the unflavoured one – for an unflavoured chicken bone broth powder. From the quoted Frequently Asked Question above, you know that it doesn't mix clumpy, or as clumpy, as the beef.

I am MUCH happier with it.

Organika Chicken Bone Broth Protein Powder

Organika chicken broth powder

Look, ma, few clumps!

From Organika's Chicken Bone Broth product page:

Your Broth, Your Way
Bone Broth Protein Powder, available in original, ginger and turmeric, is great by itself or mixed with your favourite soup, sauce, or stew. Made locally, enjoyed world-wide.

I chose unflavoured so that I can add my own flavours. It's the same reason I buy unflavoured or vanilla protein powders.

I HAVE added ginger. In fact:
organika chicken bone broth protein powder

My cold was mild and lasted three days. Was it the broth that healed me? Maybe. A few years ago, on my old blog, I wrote a series that explained with healing properties of soup, with scientific studies to back it up.

While Organika's Beef Bone broth has tested out at 86% Collagen through their laboratory tests, the chicken version has even more collagen. Lab tests say that the chicken bone broth powder is 92% collagen.

I'm taking both varieties, but not on the same day. I choose intuitively and based on what I need that day – such as the days I had a cold. Some days I feel I need more collagen after a workout. Some days I choose by flavour. Although Organika's website states that the chicken broth powder has a neutral taste, I think it tastes chickeny in a good way. I'm a dark meat girl and prefer the gristly ends of bone, skin and fat over the light meat.

Will I rebuy these products?

Maybe. After I finish both containers, I might purchase the chicken powder again. However, I have the same functional issue with the bone broth powders as I did with the collagen powder. It lacks one of these:

measuring scoop

Clumpy beef, no scoop. Sorry, Organika. I love your social media response rate, and I'll keep trying your new products, but I won't love them all.

Other Organika products

Although I did just replace my finished bottle of Organika®’s Enhanced Collagen MCT Creamer with the Marine Collagen from Sproos as I said I would (I happened to be in a store that had Sproos products the day I ran out of collagen powder), I'm really looking forward to trying Organika®s newly released Full Spectrum Collagen. It contains types 1, 2 and 3 collagen from marine and bovine (codfish and cow) sources. Its ingredients are hydrolyzed bovine collagen, hydrolyzed fish collagen, Chicken bone broth. Read more about it here.

I'll keep trying their products. I'll like some but not others, and that's okay.

organika bone broth powders powder

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